Off Road Podcast 450 – Live Moab Planning with Josh

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This episode of the Off Road Podcast is Sponsored by Colby Valve.

Tonight, Aaron uses some zip ties, Coy gets fresh chowder, Ben rocks out, and Josh winds up a window 

Welcome to the off-road podcast. A podcast about everything off-road. We cover the news, review products, and interview people in the off road industry.  Your hosts tonight are Aaron, Josh and my name is Coy.  Welcome to the show.

Coy – bought a turkey fryer/fish fryer

Aaron – Worked on the Nissan and took it for a spin.  Added the brackets from Leroy Engineering.  Reinstalled the muffler, now with 100% more baling wire.  Been doing a lot of 3D printing.

Josh – Cleaned out my truck. fixed a window motor in my nissan

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News brought to you by Colby Valve

• The Drive – Broncos get $1,300 Severe Duty Steering Option to Keep Tie Rods From Snapping
  • The Ford Bronco follows the old-school off-road formula in a few key ways—you can spec it with huge tires, a front locker, and even a crawler gear. But what’s decisively more modern about the Bronco is its independent front suspension; there’s no solid axle to be found up there. IFS is meant to provide a better ride and better high-speed performance, though it has its weaknesses. Ford aims to remedy them by offering owners a new severe-duty steering upgrade kit.
  • Although the kit costs $1,300, a Ford Pro-Cal 4 programming tool is also required to complete the job. That adds $495 to the total price
  • It’s a $1,300 setup sold by Ford Performance that was first spotted by Ford Authority. Included is a higher torque motor with an improved and reinforced steering casing from the Bronco Raptor. That’s the big boy that comes with 37-inch BF Goodrich tires from the factory. Also sold as part of the kit are stronger inner tie rods and reinforced outer tie rods with increased deflection ball joints. The goal is to provide more articulation while strengthening the steering system as a whole.
  • If you own a 2024 Ford Bronco Wildtrak, then good news! Your rig already has this upgrade. It’s part of the H.O.S.S. 3.0 suspension equipment. But if you own a 2021-2023 Bronco four-door Base, Big Bend, Outer Banks, Black Diamond, or Badlands without the factory Sasquatch package, then bad news: these parts won’t fit your truck.
  • As it is, the Bronco’s front end is plenty tough for most people. You won’t overstress it driving around town, I’ll tell you that. But for people who beat on their rigs off-road, this is a great place to start, especially if don’t need to shell out $4,000 for a comprehensive aftermarket kit.

• The Drive – Tesla Claims Cybertruck Rust Spots Are Normal
  • Not long after the Tesla Cybertruck launched, owners began reporting corrosion spots on their trucks’ stainless steel bodies. With no official explanation, the rusty-looking dots snowballed into a debacle that has been covered by major mainstream media outlets.
  • The rust reports began earlier this year with posts on social media and Tesla owner forums, showing small reddish-brown dots on the surface of Cybertrucks’ bodies. The community attributed these blemishes to fine iron particles scattered on the vehicles during manufacturing or shipping.
  • Tesla says, “It’s surface contamination only and can be cleaned off easily,” tweeted Wes Morrill, lead engineer for the Cybertruck. “Bar Keeper’s Friend used here works well, citrisurf77 can also loosen the deposit and simply wipe it off. If anything stubborn use a blue non-scratch Scotch Brite pad as it won’t leave any marks on the metal.”
  • But the widely recommended cleaning product may not be a perfect solution. Many owners have reported using the cleaner successfully, but CybertruckOwnersClub.com user Raxar, whose original post kicked off the news cycle, wasn’t so lucky.
    • “I used BKF for the spots on my Cybertruck and it seemed like at first they went away but I am noticing they’re still there now the next day, really weird,” Raxar said in the post linked above. Another user, vertigo3pc, reported they were told by a Tesla service center that the spots were corrosion and that Tesla even has an official procedure to service it.
    • “I’ll be honest: I think Tesla is selling and delivering these cars before they were prepared for it,” vertigo3pc said. “I do think it’s rail dust or outside contaminants, I just don’t think Tesla told the delivery centers how to properly clean the CT before delivery.”
  • Due to the corrosion resistance of stainless steel, it’s highly unlikely these rust spots—regardless of source—will rapidly compromise the body. However, they’re still embarrassing for Tesla, which acknowledges the body’s sensitivity to corrosion in the owners’ manual. Tesla advises Cybertruck owners to “immediately” clean the bodies of their trucks of “corrosive” materials encountered in everyday driving conditions, such as the oils in skin.
  • Car enthusiasts aren’t strangers to such specialty cleaning products, but they contrast with the reasoning behind using stainless steel in the first place: It’s not supposed to need this kind of maintenance. Cybertruck fans love to boast of the body’s resistance to corrosion, but it clearly isn’t holding up the way a Ford F-150 with a painted aluminum body does—and it’s heavier.

Main Topic  

Dates september 8-14

Coy and Aaron leaving the afterwork Friday the 6th, arriving mid day on the 7th  1,059 miles

Josh and Mark leaving Friday afternoon, hoping to arrive Saturday night, possibly Sunday morning. 

1,700 miles – 30hrs 

People Going:

Coy – FJ Cruiser 35s

Aaron – Nissan Frontier 35s

Ohio Josh – Nissan Frontier 35s

Alan – brick nose Bronco 37s

Oregon Josh – 3rd Gen Tacoma 37s

Cody – Jeep JK 37s

Rick – Nissan Xterra 33s

Possible camp sites 

There is no dispersed camping within  20 miles of moab allowed

Lone Mesa Group Sites 

150 per night

20 miles of paved rds to town

Blm site Ledge campground 105 sites

On kane creek rd

Two reservable group sites 

No shade ‘no water ‘no hookups

 10 miles of gravel roads to town

Blm site gold bar group campground

4 group sites 

Next to the river

Hammock hanger

Shelter

150 per night

14 miles to town

Trails to hit:

The Trifecta 

Poison Spider rated 6

Golden spike rated 7

Gold Bar Rim rated 6

 a popular combination of 3 trails:  Poison Spider 3.5 on the south, Golden Spike 4.5 in the center and this one  on the north.  It can also be done by itself, or in combination with Rusty Nail 4.5.

You are in for a long but enjoyable day if you do the Trifecta.  Plan on 9 – 10 hours round trip from Moab, depending on the size of your group and the amount of traffic on the trail.  A small group in the off season will be quicker.

Top of the world rated 6

(rosegarden hill route) rated 7

Top of the world

“Top of the World” is a viewpoint on Waring Mesa. It has a spectacular view of Fisher Valley, Onion Creek, and the La Sal Mountains, but this view is only part of a variety of landscapes seen from this trail. Waring Mesa is east of Moab and south of the Dewey Bridge crossing of the Colorado River

Rose garden

How best to explain the hill to an experienced 4 wheeler? Well, how often do you encounter a hill so mean you can get stuck going downhill? If you are familiar with that concept, then focus on the reality of first having to ascend this mean, long hill, then after lunch, having to descend this same hill. Lines change, and it becomes a new ball game going back down. Lots of stuff in Moab involves slickrock shelves that have solid bases, letting vehicles climb crazy steep angles. Very seldom is an ascent so strewn with very seriously sized rocks on loose soil that dictate the approaches to really tall exposed shelves. Still fewer trails feature so long an ascent. Lately nature has been adding some serious ruts caused by water drainage from several wet winters and springs.

The driver has to continually pick a good “line” up this nearly 1/2 mile hill. This usually results in a serpentine path as the vehicle ascends the hill, depending upon the vehicle’s size, equipment and capabilities. The choices get narrowed to a very narrow path during the upper third of the hill. The nastiness of the hill severely restricts the ability of a buddy to assist via a tug. It’s not uncommon to have four vehicles stuck on this hill at the same time.  Bring all your toys(high lift jacks, snatch straps, winches, pulley blocks) and a few friends to help use them when you choose to run this trail.

Backwards bill rated 5

This trail combines the second half of the Wipe-Out Hill Trail and the first half of the Sevenmile Rim Trail for a more challenging trip that retains much of the scenic highlights of both. Participants need to be aware that all vehicles must ascend Wipe-Out Hill; there is no bypass.

Hells revenge rated 6

The trail is 6.5 miles long, most difficult obstacles are well out of the stock-vehicle class, but the worst ones have easy bypasses. There are steep climbs and descents and some edges that are not for the faint of heart. It is also home to well known obstacles such as “Hells Gate” and “Escalator” that cover social media platforms with pictures and videos of people driving the obstacle.

Porcupine rim  rated 6

The trail begins at a spring fed water tank beside the Sand Flats road about 9-1/2 miles from Moab and drops down to a ledge above Negro Bill Canyon. It follows the narrow terraces along the upper slopes of the canyon. It then drops down into a small drainage and begins the rocky ascent to the top of the rim and some of the best scenic vista we have to offer. Lunch usually is planned for “Picture Rock”, a slab of rock that juts out over Castle Valley. The trip then retraces the route back to Sand Flats Road. Be advised that the majority of this trail is continuously bumpy.  Approximate mileages 32 total, 

Cliff hanger rated 8

This trail is the only vehicle route onto Amasa Back, a rather high isolated area bounded by Kane Springs Canyon, Hurrah Pass, Jackson Hole, and a big loop of the Colorado River. If Kane Creek is full the crossing can become impassable. The views, however, are unusual and spectacular all the way up the side of Kane Springs Canyon. Farther along, the trail is high above the canyon of the Colorado River. There are some petroglyphs and other evidence of early visitation.

FLAT IRON MESA RATED 6

Flat Iron Mesa is south of Moab and is bounded by Kane Springs Canyon on the north, Hatch Wash Canyon on the west, West Coyote Canyon on the south, and Highway 191 on the east. A main road has a BLM sign, but our trail leaves the highway earlier and it quickly gets 4WD status on numerous old trails that reach fine canyon overlooks and provide some interesting four-wheeling. There are multiple obstacles that provide the rating number, some have bypasses, some don’t. If the Easter Egg Rock section is elected, once the excitement of squeezing past the rock has subsided, there is a harrowingly narrow section on a cliff edge that must be negotiated.

Kane creek canyon rated 7

The trail follows Kane Creek along the bottom of its canyon (officially named Kane Springs Canyon on the maps) between its mouth at the Colorado River and Highway 191, It runs in and out of the creek – more than 50 crossings – but in one area, climbs high on the canyon wall. When the creek is wet, as it is likely to be in springtime, there is mud and quicksand. After a storm, the creek crossings may be impassable. Wet or dry, plenty of brush grows in from the sides of the road allowing for potential paint damage. Approximate mileages: 38 total, 20 off highway.

Metal Masher

Steel Bender

Bottom of Moab Rim

Food Talk

Bringing the blackstone griddle?

Cabinet smoker?

Ice cream

Full Size Invasion

Next Week: Alcan in a Grenadier

Closing Statements

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