Off Road Podcast 445 – The Search For The Next Disposable Hero

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Tonight, Aaron can’t find a leak, Coy gets popping, & Ben buys more crap

Welcome to the off-road podcast. A podcast about everything off-road. We cover the news, review products, and interview people in the off road industry.  Your hosts tonight are Aaron, Coy and my name is Ben.  Welcome to the show.

 

Coy – firecrackers and jumping into another round of Moab trip research.

Aaron – Can’t find any vacuum leaks or damaged wires on the Frontier.  Finished the Bronco history book. Now reading the 4×4 Suspension Handbook.

Ben – got some parts for the 4runner 

 

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News brought to you by Colby Valve

• Motor 1 – Ram 1500 RHO What We Know
  • Ram updated the 1500 pickup for 2025, giving the truck a refreshed design, new powertrains, and two new trims. One of those trims is the new RHO, a performance-oriented pickup that will serve a new kind of Ram customer.
  • The RHO won’t be as potent as the TRX, which ends production after the 2024 model year. But it should be just as capable. Ram hasn’t dished out all the details yet about the new pickup though.
  • The Ram 1500 RHO is a new trim for the 2025 model year. It’s an off-road-oriented pickup that will sit above the Rebel in the brand’s refreshed lineup of sporty trucks.
  • The RHO won’t be a direct replacement for the TRX. Instead, it will serve a new kind of customer, according to Ram. Although it may have less horsepower than the TRX, that should translate into a lower starting price, making the RHO more affordable to a broader audience.
  • The RHO won’t have a V8 Hemi. Instead, Ram is installing its new twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six Hurricane engine (borrowed from Jeep) that’ll make 540 horsepower with 28 psi of boost. 
  • We don’t know exactly how much torque is on top, or how quickly this truck will get to 60 miles per hour, but it could be somewhere in the neighborhood of 5.0 seconds.
  • Ram will position the RHO at the top of its truck lineup, which should give you an idea as to its off-road capability. There are no rugged specifics about this truck, but it could be as capable as the TRX but with less power.
  • Ram hasn’t revealed how much the 2025 RHO will cost when it launches. The truck will sit above the Rebel in the lineup, which starts at $61,295 for 2024. The TRX commands nearly $100,000, so we expect the RHO to fall somewhere in the middle. A price tag in the mid- to high- $80,000s.
  • The RHO will join the lineup in the third quarter of 2024. Ram will have more information about the truck, including the price, closer to its launch date.
• The Drive – The XJ Lives on in China!
  • I’ve been holding onto this news story for almost 3 months in anticipation of our main topic.
  • China’s car industry is a mix of copying, Frankenstein engineering, and originality that boggles the mind. They build everything from a chibi Toyota Tundra with an Isuzu engine to a fake C1 Chevy Corvette that’s also a plug-in hybrid.
  • It may come as no surprise, then, that China is still building a derivative of the Jeep Cherokee (XJ) as a military vehicle. But what you wouldn’t expect is that it’s powered by one of the greatest tuner engines ever, the Mitsubishi 4G63T.
  • Back in 1984, Jeep’s owner AMC became the first western carmaker to establish production in China. Under government-mandated joint venture Beijing Jeep, it cranked out a combo of Russian UAZ-based off-roaders and license-built XJ Cherokees for the Chinese market.
  • When Jeep was bought by Chrysler—then in its Diamond Star Motors era—it became a cousin of Mitsubishi, which lent it the 2.4-liter 4G63, setting the stage for what’s to come.
  • China produced the XJ almost unchanged until the mid-2000s, before adapting it into the Jeep 2500, 2700, and later BAW Qishi, which stuck around until 2014. Around this time, Beijing Auto Works (as it was now called) was developing a new military vehicle with the help of Chrysler: the BJ2022.
  • When I say “new,” I use that term loosely: It was based on the XJ, but with a slightly larger body and an added inch to the wheelbase. BAW also switched its front suspension from multilink to a choice of MacPherson strut or leaf springs. As before, the rear is a leaf-sprung solid axle.
  • First built in 2005, the XJ-derived BJ2022 would outlast the Cherokee, and remains in production today. Like China’s Hummer H1 clone, it too spawned a civilian version, the Yongshi (or Warrior). Introduced in 2017 or so, it has been produced in a variety of body styles, from single-cab pickups to four-door SUVs, and with a variety of engines. While military models are said to use Isuzu and Nissan diesels among other motors, the civilian version is said by Chinamobil.ru to employ a series of Mitsubishi engines. And one of them is a 4G63T.
  • To be specific, it’s the 4G63S4T, which isn’t the same one you blew up in your old Eagle Talon. It still has an iron block, TD04 turbo, and aluminum head, but that head houses just a single camshaft. Power output slouches to 187 horsepower and 184 lb-ft of torque, but can supposedly be brought up to 300 hp easily. Throw on the DOHC head, some stronger rods and pistons, and it’ll almost certainly be ready to push more than 400 hp at the wheels.
  • It’s not clear how widely produced this version of the BAW Yongshi is, but these trucks don’t seem to be very hot sellers. Good Car Bad Car reports only 7,889 total sales in China from 2017 through 2020, and the 4G trucks can only make up a fraction of those.
  • It looks like you can just straight-up order one new from BAW through Made-in-China, which offers it in single- and crew-cab spec. The only transmission option is a six-speed manual, and a two-speed four-wheel-drive transfer case is standard. The cost? As little as $9,000.

 

Main Topic

 

What makes a disposable hero!

• Cheap sub 4k

• Plentiful / easy to find

• Available mods

• Easy to turn into a wheeler from stock

• Capable

• Reliable

• Can swap mods over to new rig after old rig dies

 

The Jeep Cherokee XJ is widely regarded as an exceptional off-road vehicle, thanks to a combination of design elements that enhance its off-road prowess. First and foremost, its compact size and relatively light weight contribute to exceptional maneuverability on challenging terrains. This nimbleness allows the XJ to navigate tight trails and conquer obstacles with relative ease, making it a go-to choice for off-road enthusiasts.

 

Equipped with solid front and rear axles, the XJ provides superior articulation, ensuring that each wheel maintains contact with the ground even on uneven surfaces. This feature enhances traction and stability, crucial for conquering off-road obstacles like rocks and ruts. The XJ’s four-wheel-drive system, available in various configurations, further amplifies its off-road capabilities, enabling drivers to tailor the vehicle’s performance to specific conditions.

 

The XJ’s durable construction, with a unibody design and a sturdy frame, contributes to its resilience in challenging off-road environments. The robust chassis and suspension system withstand the rigors of rough terrain, providing a reliable platform for off-road adventures. Moreover, the availability of aftermarket parts and modifications has allowed Jeep enthusiasts to customize their XJs to meet specific off-road demands, enhancing its reputation as a versatile and capable off-road vehicle. Overall, the Jeep Cherokee XJ’s combination of compact size, solid axles, advanced four-wheel-drive systems, and durable construction make it a standout choice for off-road enthusiasts seeking a reliable and capable vehicle.

 

1. **Powertrain Options:** The Cherokee XJ offered various powertrains, including 2.5L four-cylinder, 4.0L inline-six, and later a 2.8L V6 diesel engine. The 4.0L engine is particularly renowned for its durability and torque, becoming an iconic part of the XJ’s identity.

 

1. **Long Production Run:** The XJ had an unusually long production run for a single generation, spanning nearly 18 years. Its longevity contributed to its popularity and made it a classic among Jeep enthusiasts.

 

1. **Trail Rated:** The XJ gained a reputation for its off-road prowess, and it was one of the first vehicles to receive Jeep’s “Trail Rated” badge, signifying its capability in various off-road conditions.

 

1. **Innovative Design:** The unibody construction of the XJ was a departure from traditional body-on-frame SUVs, providing a lighter and more nimble platform. This design influenced later SUVs and crossovers.

 

1. **Variants:** In addition to the standard models, the XJ had various special editions, such as the Limited, Sport, and Country. These editions often came with specific features and trim options.

 

1. **Popular in Motorsports:** The Cherokee XJ found success in motorsports, particularly in off-road racing. Its compact size, solid axles, and capable suspension made it a favorite choice for modifications and competitive events.

 

1. **Cultural Impact:** Beyond its automotive reputation, the XJ has left a mark in popular culture, appearing in movies, TV shows, and video games. Its rugged image and distinctive design have made it an icon in the SUV world.

 

While the Jeep Cherokee XJ is highly regarded, like any vehicle, it had its share of common issues reported by owners:

 

1. **Rust Concerns:** One prevalent problem was rust, especially in regions where road salt is used during winter. The unibody construction made certain areas susceptible to corrosion, such as the rear quarters and floor pans.

 

1. **Cooling System Challenges:** Some XJ owners experienced cooling system issues, including radiator and water pump failures. The 4.0L engine, while robust, could face overheating problems if the cooling system wasn’t properly maintained.

 

1. **Electrical Gremlins:** As the XJ aged, electrical problems like faulty wiring, sensor issues, and gauge malfunctions were reported. Ensuring a well-maintained electrical system was crucial for optimal performance.

 

1. **Transmission Concerns:** The automatic transmissions, especially in early models, were occasionally cited for issues like slipping or failure. Regular maintenance and careful driving were essential for longevity.

 

1. **Window Regulator Failures:** Owners sometimes faced problems with power window regulators failing, causing windows to become stuck in either the open or closed position.

 

1. **Door Hinge Wear:** Due to the frequent use of the rear doors, hinge wear and sagging were reported by some owners. Regular lubrication and maintenance could help mitigate this issue.

 

1. **Steering Box Wear:** Steering box wear was another reported concern, leading to steering play and imprecise handling. Upgrading to a more robust steering box or addressing wear promptly could alleviate this.

 

1. **Chrysler 8.25 Rear Axle Issues:** Some models equipped with the Chrysler 8.25 rear axle had issues with axle shaft bearings and seals, potentially leading to leaks and reduced performance.

 

Top contenders 

• 1st gen Xterra

• Grand Cherokee (ZJ)

• 2nd Gen 4runners

• Early Tacoma’s

• Ford Rangers 

• Dodge Dakota 510,165

• H3 Hummer 142,676

• Jeep Liberty (KJ) 1,125,961* *international included 

• Subaru Forester

• Chevy Colorado

 

Our picks

Coy: chevy colorado 2004-2012 

Total US Sales Numbers 480,750 

The Chevrolet Colorado was introduced as a replacement for the Chevrolet S-10 compact pickup. It was aimed at providing a more modern and versatile midsize truck option.

 

The first-generation Colorado was built on the GMT355 platform, which it shared with the GMC Canyon. This platform was developed by General Motors for midsize trucks and SUVs.

 

The Colorado was offered in various body styles, including regular cab, extended cab (with rear-hinged half-doors for easier access to the rear seats), and crew cab configurations. This allowed customers to choose between different seating capacities and cargo bed lengths.

 

The first-generation Colorado came with a range of engine options. Initially, it offered a standard 2.8-liter inline-4 engine and an optional 3.5-liter inline-5 engine. Later, a more powerful 5.3-liter V8 engine became available as an option, making the Colorado one of the few midsize trucks with a V8 option.

 

Transmission options included a 5-speed manual, 4-speed automatic, and a 5-speed automatic, depending on the engine and trim level.

 

The Colorado was available in various trim levels, including the base model, LS, LT, Z71, and the high-performance ZQ8. The ZQ8 package included sport-tuned suspension and other performance-oriented features.

 

The first-generation Colorado was capable of towing moderate loads, with towing capacities ranging from around 2,000 to 6,000 pounds, depending on the engine and configuration.

 

In 2009, the Colorado received a facelift, which included changes to the front grille, headlights, and other styling elements. The interior was also updated, and new features were introduced.

 

My argument for it:

 2.5 long travel and front locker with h3 suspension swap:

 V8 option

 Somehow straddles the thin line of being know for reliability issues but there are tons of examples with 200k plus miles

Extensive mods and aftermarket products available.

 

Aaron: 1st Gen Xterra 1999-2004

US Sales Figures 302,846 (Missing 2 years of data) 454,269

Motor Trend – The First-Gen Nissan Xterra Is an Underappreciated Classic

The Nissan Xterra was introduced as a compact SUV designed for outdoor enthusiasts and adventurous drivers. It was based on the Nissan Frontier pickup truck platform.

 

The Xterra featured a rugged and boxy design, with a unique roof rack and a rear tire mounted on the back, giving it a distinctive off-road appearance.

 

The Xterra was known for its off-road capabilities, with features such as a fully boxed ladder frame, a solid rear axle, and optional four-wheel drive. It was designed to handle various terrains, making it popular among off-road enthusiasts.

 

The first-generation Xterra offered a choice of two engines. The base engine was a 2.4-liter inline-four cylinder, while a more powerful 3.3-liter V6 engine was available as an option. These engines were paired with either a 5-speed manual or a 4-speed automatic transmission.

 

The Xterra was available in several trim levels, including the XE, SE, and later, the supercharged SE. The supercharged SE model featured a more powerful version of the V6 engine.

 

The interior of the first-generation Xterra was designed to be practical and functional, with features like a washable cargo area, a flat-folding rear seat, and easy-to-clean surfaces to accommodate an active lifestyle.

 

In 2002, the Xterra received a facelift that included updates to the exterior styling and interior features. The facelifted version featured a more refined look and additional comfort and convenience features.

 

The Xterra gained popularity for its combination of off-road capability, versatility, and affordable pricing. It appealed to a niche market of consumers seeking a rugged SUV for both daily driving and outdoor activities.

 

Ben: Subaru Forester 2003-2008

US Sales Figures 214,268

The Subaru Forester was introduced as a compact crossover SUV, blending elements of a traditional station wagon with those of an SUV. It was positioned to provide a practical and versatile alternative to conventional SUVs.

 

The first-generation Forester shared its platform with the Subaru Impreza, contributing to its nimble handling and car-like driving dynamics.

 

The Forester featured Subaru’s signature horizontally opposed “boxer” engine layout. The engine options included various naturally aspirated and turbocharged boxer engines, known for their low center of gravity and balanced performance.

 

True to Subaru’s heritage, the Forester came equipped with all-wheel drive as a standard feature. The AWD system contributed to the vehicle’s capability in various driving conditions.

 

The first-generation Forester was offered in different trim levels, including the base model, L, S, and later, the sportier S/tb (turbocharged) model. Each trim level came with varying levels of equipment and performance features.

 

The S/tb model, introduced later in the first generation, featured a turbocharged engine for increased performance. This variant was popular among enthusiasts for its sportier driving experience.

 

The Forester emphasized safety and was one of the first vehicles in its class to feature standard all-wheel drive. It also incorporated safety features like ABS (Anti-lock Braking System) and airbags.

 

The exterior design of the first-generation Forester was characterized by a boxy and rugged appearance, with a tall roofline and large windows contributing to excellent visibility.

 

Despite its compact dimensions, the Forester’s design provided ample interior space, including a roomy and flexible cargo area. The rear seats could be folded down to create a flat loading floor.

 

The success of the first-generation Forester paved the way for subsequent generations, solidifying its place in the compact SUV market. The Forester has since evolved, becoming one of Subaru’s most popular models globally.

 

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